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can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby dirka dirka » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:28 pm

it seems that germans have the definite advantage when it comes to weapons. There are several people on the server that I would dub axis-whores, and not a single person who could be called an ally-whore.

Russians:
1. The pistol sucks. I don't know what the deal is with it, but it seems inaccurate and low-powered.
2. The ppsh42 is under-powered. It seems to have the same power/accuracy of the ppsh, but with half of the magazine capacity.

Americans:
1. The grease gun is hit-or-miss and is inaccurate at all ranges.
2. The pistol needs to have an 8-shot magazine capacity.

British:
1. The sten...see the grease gun.
2. The Bren is incredibly slow bashing and slow reloading.
3. The Webley has only 6 shots and takes half an hour to reload.
4. The Thomson needs to have 30 shots. The availability of the Sten does not make up for the limited Tommy capacity.

As it stands right now, the mp40, the mp44, and the kar dominate the game.

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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby Clint » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:16 pm

werent the 40 and 44 bumped up ~2 years ago in response to allied weapon supremacy?

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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby rocketman » Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:54 pm

dirka dirka wrote:Russians:
1. The pistol sucks. I don't know what the deal is with it, but it seems inaccurate and low-powered.


I hadn't really noticed this. I'd love to know what the actual data is out of the game.

2. The ppsh42 is under-powered. It seems to have the same power/accuracy of the ppsh, but with half of the magazine capacity.


I believe the 42 has better accuracy than the ppsh. It seems to hit better under aim than the ppsh.

Americans:
1. The grease gun is hit-or-miss and is inaccurate at all ranges.


I won't disagree that the grease gun is underpowered, but it does seem to have decent medium range accuracy. Better than the Thompson, at least.

2. The pistol needs to have an 8-shot magazine capacity.


I think it hits harder than the other pistols (except Webley)

British:
1. The sten...see the grease gun.


The Sten definitely has better accuracy than the Thompson and seems to be on par with the MP40. Maybe even slightly better rate of fire.

2. The Bren is incredibly slow bashing and slow reloading.


No argument there. It does hit pretty darn hard, though.

3. The Webley has only 6 shots and takes half an hour to reload.


This is the main thing about the British weapons (well that and the 20 shot Thompson). It really needs a power boost.

4. The Thomson needs to have 30 shots. The availability of the Sten does not make up for the limited Tommy capacity.


Agreed.

Now, I do believe the following Allied weapons are superior to their counterparts in some ways:

- The Thompson trumps all German weapons up close
- The M1 Garand is the best semi in the game - my favorite weapon overall
- The M1 Carbine is not far behind, being able to act as both a good medium - long range weapon with very strong ability up close
- I don't know why, but I like the Springfield better than the Kar sniper. The Enfield Sniper, I feel, is the best of the sniper rifles.
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby Str1der » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:39 pm

I like the way it is with what we have... you can't really have one weapon that dominates every map (except mp44). I also agreed the tommy should have 30ammo. The smgs are pretty equal also...

M1 Garand = MP44
BAR > MP40
Kar98 Sniper = Springfield
Kar >>>>>>> Enfield (except in Muse's case)

But everything else is good... Overall, I'd say the weapons are good the way they are... I wouldn't want to play on a server with an "extreme" mod which is ridiculous... over at some other servers, the stinken SMG is faster than the Machine Gun... like wtf...
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby rocketman » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:15 am

Str1der wrote:Kar >>>>>>> Enfield


Which is a shame because the Enfield was regarded as a superior rifle during the war.
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby Rafterman » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:18 pm

Str1der wrote:M1 Garand = MP44

This is like comparing apples and oranges. There's no way you can make an even comparison between an 8-round semi-auto rifle and a 30-round full-automatic.

IMO, if the Nazis had gotten more MP44's in the hands of soldiers sooner in the war, you would have seen many more Allied casualties than there already were. :2cents:
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby dirka dirka » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:44 pm

The other stuff is minor, but the British Webley and Tommy need fixed pretty badly.

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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby Str1der » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:26 pm

Rafterman wrote:
Str1der wrote:M1 Garand = MP44

This is like comparing apples and oranges. There's no way you can make an even comparison between an 8-round semi-auto rifle and a 30-round full-automatic.


I'm just comparing in-game play... The M1 has better recoil and it takes only a couple of shots to kill if you play a steady game and not run around... btw, i only compared b/c the pros either uses the M1 or the MP44 for multi shot weapons....

IMO, I always hated the M1 cuz it seems like it only takes one bullet to kill you but after using it, it's awesome....
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby GER-Iceman » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:57 pm

rocketman wrote:
Str1der wrote:Kar >>>>>>> Enfield


Which is a shame because the Enfield was regarded as a superior rifle during the war.


I guess it's only caused by the iron sight. The Enfield is as good as the Kar, it's only a bit more difficult to see in ads with the Enfield.
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby xxxshooter » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:22 pm

I'll just put it in there that i agree the Bren melee and reload time should be faster.... Me gusta el Bren
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby Chevrolet » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:45 pm

I agree with increasing the Bren bash speed + making the Brit Thompson 30 rounds.
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby gitman » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:45 pm

you guys realize that the bren was pretty damn massive, right?
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby c2thet » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:22 pm

A pic Cash sent me of him holding a Bren
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby Jattriski » Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:22 pm

C2theT wrote:A pic Cash sent me of him holding a Bren
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby MajorFullWood » Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:46 pm

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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby shanny » Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:02 pm

The tommy is the top weapon up close of any weapon, I would be curious to know why you would want to bump it to 30 rounds. But even if it was nerfed some, and then increase the rounds, doing it in a small margin would be the only way to go, as to not change it drastically.

I don't know that you can ever make everyone happy....there will always be something that someone else finds after the changes have been made.

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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby Chevrolet » Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:34 pm

How about make both thompson's (american & brit) 25 rounds? This creates an incentive to get the grease gun or sten.
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby xxxshooter » Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:01 pm

the sten is pretty damn good. I've been using it with my new computer build ( :) ) and it is pretty damn good. Changed the tide for the brits on tobruk :D

gitman wrote:you guys realize that the bren was pretty damn massive, right?

Yeah it is, but a ridiculous reload time of 3-4 secs or whatever it is isn't nessecary. Just really undermines it. The BAR is the same way.
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby dirka dirka » Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:55 pm

bump.

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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby Str1der » Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:02 pm

great... more tommy ammos = more headshots!!! :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby shanny » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:01 pm

Can you even shoot straight anymore strider? :wave:

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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby dirka dirka » Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:21 pm

bump. axis weapons are still >> ally weapons.

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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby dirka dirka » Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:54 pm

bump.

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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby dirka dirka » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:01 pm

bump.

+ make bolt shots kill please.

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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby Mancini » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:30 pm

some changes are coming like...

- unscoped springfield available to americans (model by Torre, sound from cod4, same properties as kar98)
- webley reload sped up (reload sound needed to be modified)
- sten is more accurate, shoots a little faster, and has a new sound
- greasegun is more accurate
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby gitman » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:31 pm

dirka dirka wrote:make bolt shots kill please.


statistics show that bolt rifles are fatal 75-80 % of the time (a fatal shot is any shot that does 100 damage points or more)

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total shots: 15827
sum dmg: 2230978
non-fatal shots: 3095
pct non-fatal: 19.56
avg dmg/shot: 140.96

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total shots: 2734
sum dmg: 368855
non-fatal shots: 668
pct non-fatal: 24.43
avg dmg/shot: 134.91

enfield
total shots: 5701
sum dmg: 802741
non-fatal shots: 1133
pct non-fatal: 19.87
avg dmg/shot: 140.81

those stats are for all of february and march up until this point. its unrealistic to request that they are fatal 100% of the time, so what exactly are you asking for?
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby Arctictiger » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:34 pm

gitman wrote:
dirka dirka wrote:make bolt shots kill please.



those stats are for all of february and march up until this point. its unrealistic to request that they are fatal 100% of the time, so what exactly are you asking for?


99% of the time would we nice :2thumbsup:
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby dirka dirka » Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:03 pm

gitman wrote:
dirka dirka wrote:make bolt shots kill please.

its unrealistic to request that they are fatal 100% of the time, so what exactly are you asking for?
Why is that unrealistic? Bashes with non-pistols are kills (I'm assuming 100% of the time--barring spawn protection), so why can't bolts be the same way? If you hit someone with a bolt, then you deserve the kill.

Also, thank you thank you for the change to spawn protection; it's waayy better than it used to be.

 
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby gitman » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:12 pm

because you don't deserve the kill if you hit them in the foot or the hand. if you're playing with a bolt, then aim for the upper or lower torso, upper arm, head, or neck and you will get a kill. hit them somewhere else and you'll still hurt them good.
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Re: can ally weapons be buffed?

Postby Str1der » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:29 pm

Whats wrong with the bolt?? I don't see any thing wrong with it... even other rifle servers I play on doesn't produce 100% kill... I love it though. It gives you the opportunity to pull out your pistol and chase after the injured player (2pts is better than 1.5pts) lolz :guns:
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