Greyhoud or T17 Armoured Car

[Arctictiger Profile]

I use to always think the T17 was the better early vechile but when i bought TOV last week, i realized its god awful vs infantry compared to the greyhound. Which i primary use the armoured cars early in a game to kill infantry and by pass emplacements. It seems the T17 has better armour, but the Greyhound with both upgrades seems to be a little bit better to me. Which one do you guys perfer in a game, and why?

[Captain Speirs Profile]

I prefer the Greyhound because usually when I need it, I need to clear an area of infantry - I'm not usually against enemy light armour. Even if I was, I prefer a pak-gun or heavily-armoured vehicle in comparison to the Greyhound or T17.

[Rafterman Profile Website]

There's no contest. The T17 is far better, even on paper. However, both American vehicles lose to the British Staghound. The T17 is close, costing less to produce and taking up less popcap, but it has far less health. The Greyhound can be upgraded to 300 health at a cost of 50 ammo, but still ends up with only 2/3rds the health of the Staghound. Lastly, I have seen no other unit in the game, infantry or vehicle that can take out Knight's Cross Holders faster than a .50cal upgraded Staghound. It's biggest drawback though, is that you must choose it to replace the Cromwell Command Tank, which gives its own major bonuses to Cromwells and Fireflies. So, you have to decide what style of battle you want to fight before the match begins. Personally, I choose the Staghound about 95% of the time over the command tank.

From http://companyofheroes.wikia.com/

M8 Greyhound

• Cost: 280 MP, 30 Fuel, 4 Popcap
• Health: 150
• Main Weapon: 37mm Gun
• Secondary Weapon: .50cal M2 Machine Gun (after paying 50 ammo for the upgrade)

T17 Armored Car

• Cost: 280 MP, 40 Fuel, 4 Popcap
• Health: 265
• Main Weapon: 37mm Gun
• Secondary Weapon: .50cal M2 Machine Gun

British Staghound Armored Car (listed for comparison)

• Cost: 280 MP, 45 Fuel, 6 Popcap
• Health: 450
• Main Weapon: 37mm Gun
• Secondary Weapon: .50cal M2 Machine Gun (after paying 50 ammo for the upgrade)

Winner: Staghound

[Arctictiger Profile]

The American T17 has no 50. cal on top, which is a big drawback has the M8 Greyhound has one, and the Staghound has one.

[Bielab Profile]

Just depends on personal preferences. The T17 has a few advantages over the M8, but a few significant disadvantages. First off, the T17 uses the same gun as the M8, but it fires at a much more rapid rate, which means you can use the T17 as a shock unit just like the M8. Therefore, it can kill infantry during battle much faster and efficiently. The T17 cannot be equipped with a .50 cal nor can it drop mines. It costs more fuel to purchase, but you cannot purchase armor upgrades for this vehicle, however it gets sandbags as armor at vet level 1.

The special ability phosphorous rounds for the T17 are nice in stunning vehicles. It could be used in an offensive manner by stunning a vehicle while other units are able to flank and destroy it or in a defensive manner by stunning a vehicle so that your other units could escape to a safer location.

Lately I have been using the Greyhound because the .50 cal upgrade seems to be better vs. infantry and I always make sure I purchase the armor skirt upgrades before I send it out. The T17 out of the box is very vulnerable until it reaches to Vet. level 1.

Winner: Staghound

I would hope so.... The British Staghound comes out at a higher Tier level compared to the American counterparts. However, I would have liked the Staghound to be the replacement vehicle for the Stuart Light Tank

[Rafterman Profile Website]

The T17 cannot be equipped with a .50 cal

I was going by the image of the T17 on the Wiki, which clearly shows a .50cal mounted on top. Unfortunately, the article mentions nothing of it.

I would have liked the Staghound to be the replacement vehicle for the Stuart Light Tank

Definitely. Those two vehicles are much more on-par with each other in terms of costs and abilities. Losing the Cromwell Command Tank and its Veterancy upgrades for other tanks is a bummer.

[Arctictiger Profile]

The T17 cannot be equipped with a .50 cal

I was going by the image of the T17 on the Wiki, which clearly shows a .50cal mounted on top. Unfortunately, the article mentions nothing of it.

I would have liked the Staghound to be the replacement vehicle for the Stuart Light Tank

Definitely. Those two vehicles are much more on-par with each other in terms of costs and abilities. Losing the Cromwell Command Tank and its Veterancy upgrades for other tanks is a bummer.

If im not mistaken, i do believe the T17 has to be veterancy level 3 for the 50. Cal while the Staghound and Greyhound can purchase one. Bielab might know more on the subject has that im still new to the T17 and have yet been able to get a MG on it.

[Bielab Profile]

No, I don't think the T17 gets a .50 cal. machine gunner at vet. level 3. I believe it just gets an accuracy bonus at vet level 3. It has been a while since I had one at level 3 veterency, I think the last time was on Mountain pass and it did not have a .50 cal. machine gunner then. It looks like they just used the British Staghound picture for the T17.. since they were technically the same vehicle.

It would be interesting to note that at veterency level 2, a lot of the Wehrmacht armor and the Panzer Elite Panther get a MG 42 gunner on their turrets which gives them a +2 bonus vs infantry.

Also, it looks like the T17 received more health out of the box after last years patch, so I think it survivability is a little better.

[Rafterman Profile Website]

It looks like they just used the British Staghound picture for the T17.. since they were technically the same vehicle.

I've never looked that closely at the Staghound zoomed in, but that image clearly shows an American soldier manning the gun and the white star painted on the side. I'll see what the Staghound looks like up close next time I play so we can compare the two.

[Arctictiger Profile]

The staghound and the T17 are the same vehicle, but the British staghound is a heavier variant i do believe.

[Bielab Profile]

The staghound and the T17 are the same vehicle, but the British staghound is a heavier variant i do believe.

Yes, the British Staghound has 450 health vs the T17 which has a base of 265 health and a 50 health sandbag bonus at Vet level 1

I've never looked that closely at the Staghound zoomed in, but that image clearly shows an American soldier manning the gun and the white star painted on the side.

You may be right. I surfed around and I found a post where the poster mentioned the T17 had a .50 cal. machine gunner and sandbag upgrades you could purchase during the Tales of Valor multiplayer beta testing. If that is true, the picture could have been taken during that period